We traveled well together. And there would be, like, tests to see, is your skin dry? So like I said, I'm not a drug dealer. You're making me feel bad, now that I'm taking the money from you. said the duck. These aren't law school deans making this choice. It was all about how he practiced medicine. But Naomi seemed different. He's a [? It's very different." I now actually felt bad about what I'd done. At her final board meeting, Naomi tried to give a speech to explain why she was leaving. I was like, are you crazy? And also, having like really weird experiences I'd never had before. And she sat in front of me, but then I sat next to her. Finally, in May, the police did a big sweep. They have to choose among several politically connected candidates for a few slots. She was 30 when this happened. The next part of that conversation was the logistics. He understood having dinner at 5:30. I'm sober a lot of the time too. 11 did not return our calls. And so, when they don't hear that, when a guy actually gives his credentials, what happens? Samantha Broun interviews her mom about surviving a brutal attack by Reginald McFadden 20 years ago, and sets out to interview friends, family and policymakers about how that attack changed Pennsylvania law regarding life sentences at the time. There was just this chatter that overtook the courtroom, this almost laughter when people found that out. And she was Puerto Rican and Dominican. "Stupid duck is in love with a rock," they snickered. Do we break up? So next, he got a list of 21 people who would have had access to the patient records. Kurt Braunohler met his girlfriend on the third day of college. The person who hired Dr. Arafiles at Winkler Memorial was also a newcomer. So we were in class. That was increasingly difficult. OK. Oh, that sounds nice. But looking at the facts of the case, it's pretty obvious that the only nurse they were after was Anne Mitchell. "Yes, it does," said the girl duck. And I would be with her all the time. 797. Still, it was hard to stop himself while it was going on. OK, since you're telling me stuff like this, then I can tell you about my life. And so then I would try to not see people more than three times. When . barstool, ?] And just, my eye-- your eye is just searching for your own name. She thought long and hard. He's been fined $5,000 for retaliating against the nurses, and he has a year to answer their questions about his old cases if he's going to have restrictions removed from his medical license. He'd feel this crazy elation or he would find himself walking down the street weeping. But we could have had that verdict in less than five minutes. You're banging two other women on this page alone and you flag me? It's the maturity level that I really cared for. Here's Anne and Naomi. In December, a special prosecutor from the Texas Attorney General's office indicted Arafiles for felony retaliation, and, in a karmic twist, misuse of official information, the same charge leveled at Anne and Vicki. Only the principals at the schools knew of their presence. And of all the high schools in all the towns in all the world, she walked into his. He and his wife joined the Lions Club. ", "How can it go on like this?" The second time we met, he asked me to his house for a margarita. And you can do it without completely compromising your morals or ethics. Well, a lot, apparently. And he was basically in a ward where the white population wouldn't want that? So what is she collecting this stuff for? And we're in the middle of Act One, a story about some nurses who sent a letter off to the Texas Medical Board about what they saw as one doctor's questionable practices, and then they found themselves tangling with all kinds of powerful people in their town. And they think this is just like going before a bar group. I have a courtroom style and deposition style that, when you live and die by the words that come out of your mouth, I want to make sure I try to select the most appropriate phrase. She went and woke up the strange duck. I don't have to face the scrutiny of Winkler County and the officials there. Please call--" and then I put his number. And the main quality that they're looking for? And she said, absolutely not. And both of them told me that the weirdest thing about that time was that the person that they wanted to talk to most about what was going on and share it with was each other. I knew that I had the right to do that. She asked me if I smoked. They need to realize they can't be doing this. It's hard to find anyone who wants to move there. American criminals who flee to Mexico to evade law enforcement discover it's not so simple as crossing the border. So they sat on the couch, and they talked this through. Kurt was staying on a futon on a friend's living room floor for the month in this apartment where there was no door between the living room and the bedroom where his friend was sleeping. Debbie told Naomi Warren and the hospital's chief of staff what she'd seen. In any event, none of the patients said they'd filed a complaint. It was difficult because he was giving women two opposite messages at the same time. He was a family practice doctor. OK, I'll let you copy my homework. I'm working out here in a hostile environment. I'm like, whoa. Do you sleep a lot? 437: Old Boys Network Note: This American Life is produced for the ear and designed to be heard. And the two ducks hurled the rock off the cliff together. And we just sat in the park, and talked, and we broke up. And Murray knew this was going to be his political death sentence. The harassment, basically, was that they complained to the Texas Medical Board, saying that this doctor was performing odd procedures and putting patients in danger. This whole deal was almost like a satire. When her boyfriend dumped her, she wanted to do something. Because the last time you had dated, you were 17. Jonathan Goldstein talks to Sven Berger, a juror still hung up over an assignment he servedten years ago. Newsy stories that try to capture what it's like to be alive right now. She is also the recipient of a 2015 Fulbright award to Macau, China. It was a pretty romantic set up. I've been flagged. It was yeah, totally turned my head around. And I think there was a cover letter that said that the identity of the complainants has to be treated as confidential, and it's protected by law and only used in connection with the criminal investigation of the doctor. I took it to the board of control, because I wanted them to understand we were violating the medical staff bylaws and he was in violation of the contract that they signed to have him there. She doesn't remember it quite the way Justin does though. So I think that she was unintentionally pushy, but that that's her way. At night, they camped under hedges and strange trees, and ate beetles and frogs. He'd worked in hospital administration before, but when he was hired at Winkler, he was selling mobile homes. It began to change. Even when I leave it on. 10 days after that, they were both indicted. That was my personal feeling, when I take off my reporter hat. I'm from the Bronx. Despite his stale vaudeville sleazy photographer routine, he seemed to be a lot more serious about getting serious than I was. I knew this was bad. This is largely a ceremonial pageant, because they've already made up their mind and cut their deal of who's going to get the blessing. He couldn't do procedures. I do have a theory about if I do get married in the future. Please, take the money. And they made out a little bit. When I checked with the National Practitioner Data Bank, when he was first hired, that information came back. What happens on the date? I'm Ira Glass. This is John Cook, Anne Mitchell's attorney during the trial. In the last few years, laws and sentencing guidelines have become much harsher. And then going away from it for a little while, and being like, I can't stop, when is this going to happen again? Seth Lind is our production manager. After reading his diary, she ran home and called him up and broke up with him, beating him to the punch, basically. And he said he opened it up and there was this wad of money inside. I was like, oh my god, what if she says no? And definitely, people would yell at me and call me names. And she didn't want to regret that. I know I'm taking it good. That night, the girl duck had a hard time sleeping. Usually, it doesn't take me that long to get a girlfriend when I start talking to them. But Roberts still didn't have any solid evidence to connect them to the complaint. Like I don't understand how these women that I met during that time heard this story and were like, OK, let's continue with this date. This American Life is produced in collaboration with WBEZ Chicago and delivered to stations by PRX The Public Radio Exchange. You make me feel bad. Your speech is too deliberate and too slow. They made this part of the day a little life raft that they gathered on during this terrible, dangerous last year that made it like a daily prayer. Anne, of course, won the case, after either five minutes or one hour of jury deliberation, depending on how you count it. She didn't want to stalk him. Emanuele came to This American Life from Gimlet Media. Get out of here. That it looked good and come back in two weeks. We had never, ever talked about it, seriously or otherwise. We were each other's world. The nurses complained about Arafiles to the chief of staff, Dr. Pham. She goes, no, please take the money. She ran the clinic at Winkler, and she says Arafiles was really proud of his method of diagnosing thyroid conditions. Arafiles wanted to protect the thumb after he stabilized it, so he cut off a piece of rubber from the packaging of a suture kit and he sewed it on to the patient's thumb. Normal drinkers don't know how many days it has been since their last drink. So it was just like the saddest-- it was the most mundane list of boring things that he eventually had to get around to doing. I said, I can't believe that. "Like a stone." Sometimes they were just random files. I'm actually going to do this. She says he just took the money without prompting. The plan was called Operation D Minus. The worst decision of his life, he says. And that it is not to be used for anything else. And he bought it. Kermit's a tiny, dusty oil town out in the west Texas plains, about 20 miles from the New Mexico border. Anne Mitchell. What Beau is referring to is something that takes this case to a whole new level of seediness. I'm going to call my attorney. That was the response I got. But please knock it off with the bathroom walls. The Russians bombed a maternity and children's hospital, then a theater that people were using as a bomb shelter. And then, all the ducks began to turn for home. Excuse me, let me think about it. They walked together in the halls. I'll tell you one thing, Dr. A. is not a bad doctor. Well, our program was produced today by Jonathan Menjivar and myself, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Sarah Koenig, Miki Meek, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike. Personal stories with funny moments, big feelings, and surprising plot twists. We're going to acknowledge the existence of sex between adults. Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print. Coming up, love stories between a kid and someone who is not a kid, and a duck and someone who is not a duck. My alderman is Alderman Burke, and I would welcome your support. Results: A total of 196 383 individuals (mean [SD] age, 64.1 [2.9] years; 52.7% were women) were followed up for 1 545 433 person-years (median [interquartile range] follow-up, 8.0 [7.4-8.6] years). At first, anyway. Anne says, according to Winkler Memorial's bylaws, they never should have hired him. It's also potentially dangerous. And Roberts says that Arafiles had saved his life when he had a heart attack in 2008.. Because I don't hang out with guys like that. The thing about Mr. Wiley is, you could tell him something. In explaining why the letter is anonymous, the last paragraph of the letter states that, quote, "Due to the economic climate, the fact that I am over 50, female, and have been employed by this facility since the 1980s, I am hesitant to place a signature on this information.". And you write, quote, "Burke all but says that a seat on the bench has been saved for Murray for 40 years." An important point to make is, there are some very good judges in Cook County. "Me neither," said another. Because the actual district attorney was ill, Scott Tidwell took over the prosecuting duties. He was taken by his TO around the city-- and TO being a training officer-- and he expressed surprise that they were hitting all of the bowling alleys in their district and other businesses that had liquor licenses. Anne and Vicki started getting reports that Arafiles was performing surgeries, and that was odd for two reasons. You may have heard of it. I could talk to her. They estimate a 40-year shelf-life for 750-milliliter (25-ounce) bottles, and 82 and 132 years for 1.5-liter (50-ounce) and 3-liter (101-ounce) bottles, respectively. And then it was like, OK, they still have this problem at the hospital. "We will need help," said the girl duck. I would have a good time when I would be with her. "I know," said the duck, "you think I'm crazy. And that's why, when all this collapsed and caved in, I felt so-- it just hurt. There's no style in lying. And I finally couldn't take it anymore. He was sexy, and sexy, and had good ideas about things to do. He'll take care of his patients. Abdon Pallasch, political reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times. Maybe they'll actually pass out 25-page resumes, and the committeemen will kind of roll their eyes. A little over a year ago, in a small west Texas town called Kermit, two nurses were accused of something very strange. And for Kurt, as time went on, it got harder and harder to stick with the rule that they had made of not getting into any relationships. I had to go through his charts every day I worked on his side. I did research it. He's a [? Now, normally it isn't nurses or even hospital administrators who are supposed to oversee doctors. We don't get into relationships with people. I mean, the first date I went on, I immediately was, like, head over heels for her. You know what I mean? Transcripts are generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain errors. Please, get out of my face. She just kept it in a box underneath her bed. And I feel really attracted to you. And the committeemen's eyes will glaze over, because that actually counts against you. And they said that I had sold to the undercover cop. What happened then was the Sheriff came to the hospital and interviewed both of us, Vickilyn and I. And this someone is not giving him much back. If it's law groups, are they going to pick corporate lawyers who live in the wealthy suburbs and can't sympathize with the rights of the common man? No, I don't have it right now. At first the rock simply fell "like a rock," one might say. And they blended right in. I never look at anything. Your wife will love you. Morning Edition Weekend Edition Saturday He'd had girlfriends before but nothing that lasted. The duck sighed and sat down on the ground. She said she was from Queens. When we are done with this, she'll be like--, Bill's a former FBI agent. So Roberts knew it must have come from inside Winkler Memorial. Word was that he was trying to find out who had complained about Dr. Arafiles. And a violation of the hospital's policies. She didn't-- [LAUGHTER] Ms. Bailey did not get slated. It looked back over its shoulder at the two ducks on the cliff, and it called out just once, "Good bye.". I think it was probably for the next night or the nine after, something like that. And she sees it the way a cop does. It's This American Life. Stories about standing up to the manor, really, the men. Sometimes what you need to do next as a couple, you can't even tell what it should be. Roberts and his wife sold the herbal supplement, Zrii, for the Doctor. Except for knowing that I feel like it had run its course. So Kristy tried a more constructive route. Listen to This American Life on Spotify. But part of the problem is now there's national business groups that have targeted Illinois, and Cook County, in specific, as a terrible place to try cases. Then I had another person who works in the hospital, she called me and she said that, if someone wasn't arrested for this, that Dr. Arafiles and Mr. Beckham were going to be very upset. And that was against one of our rules that we had come up-- my girlfriend and I had had a rule saying, no relationships. And I guess the reason--. But he came out of this experience believing that it is important to force things to a decision with someone. She just feels like it always bite you in the butt. This is Beau Berman. One day at the beginning of April, after Naomi had been at school for about three months, she and Justin had a conversation about drugs. So far, they've arrested more than 80 people. She said, "I didn't tell anyone anything about my background or the situation. They'd serve for three years, and then they'd move on to a bigger city. Well, after we had both turned 30, one day I just kind of was thinking about why we had never talked about getting married. The Texas Medical Board finished its investigation of Arafiles in February. Production help from Matt Kilty. I was going way slower than he was, had, in fact, suggested to him that we keep things loose, see other people. I decided then and there that I had just been handed my new stage name, Redd Flaggs-- two D's, two G's. Act #1: The Super Always Rings Twice. And then there's a candidate named Anna Helen Demacopoulos? Episode 323 - "The Super". Well, now we turn from people defying the old boys' network in their town to people bowing before it. Like the sales lady at CVS. Everyone joined in, even though they laughed, for ducks are all brothers when it comes right down to it. They didn't really fight. One of the things in this 2003 account that I thought was really charming-- so they all stand up and say, I'm a lifelong Democrat. And already our image was terribly tarnished. For decades before Arafiles came, the hospital had mostly relied on foreign doctors, under something called the J-1 Visa System. One told us he was very grateful to his committeemen. And her response was, they are going to do something. HeartCode blended learning delivers quality resuscitation education regardless of where providers are located and gives them more control to complete the course at their own pace. And I remember, we were sitting in the living room and it was October. And that's the thing. At times, you couldn't believe this was happening. Anne's attorney had a sketch Arafiles had made. Town Criers-- in Denton, Texas, where she lives. They gave no reason. They filed a civil suit against Winkler County that settled for $750,000. The girlfriend told me that she, meanwhile, is having escapades of her own. The rumspringa gave them a way to break up. Thyroid wasn't the only thing. The political reporter is probably the leading chronicler of this living remnant of the old Chicago machine. And that's the other crazy thing is that we decided that 30 days was enough. A warning, I should say, before we go any further in this story. It began to slow. I told him I wasn't going just because, since this is not where I spent the last three years of high school, I didn't really want to go to the prom. So she just kept giving me drinks, free drinks. Don't worry. Last year the NFL's revenues reached $19bn, nearly three times as much as the English Premier League, which probably boasts more fans worldwide than all the American sports put together (see . I told her a lot of my feelings. Oh, absolutely. And because this is the most comfortable relationship that has ever existed between two people, of course they dealt with it all right away, very straightforward. But there was one duck, a girl duck, who did not laugh. And I was like, OK, we're going to wait a few. A week before the trial began, to everyone's surprise, the prosecution dropped all charges against Vickilyn Galle. And this time, really actually fall for her in a real way. Do you know who did it? You know what I mean? And it was her job to ensure the new doctors met the hospital's criteria. Podcasts & Shows Expand/collapse submenu for Podcasts & Shows. She'd be like, oh, OK. And then I'd just start singing. But I was like, when is this ever going to happen again? No, she did not get slated again. And after she gave me the OK, yeah, around the more of a yes side, I was OK. But then he didn't hold back any of his feelings. And I don't want to snoop anymore. And then they set another date. And she said, yeah, yeah, Kurt's way too open. Anne was at the keyboard, typing it on her computer. I'll start rapping to her, and then I started singing. And so, when Abdon wrote about the 2003 meeting to choose which judges were going to go onto the Democratic ticket, he noted that nearly all of the 25 judge wannabes began their presentations with the same first sentence. So I started talking to her. These guys are showing loyalty to Democratic Party machinery, which is them. It elongated. It's unclear how Roberts got the patients' contact information in the first place. And also, because of the fact that we were both-- my girlfriend and I were both very competitive with each other that we didn't speak during that 30 days. He's covered it since 1996, in recent years for the Chicago Sun-Times. And it just seemed to me to further show that they were trying to keep everything in house. It was just what she wanted, actually. Just so you could just shut up, I'll take the money. She speaks with more than a hint of a Texas accent. The same is true in east Texas. Three dates makes a relationship. Frankly, I could only stand to read, kind of look at one, because I just didn't believe any of it. He loves Andre. I just thought the site did not take. And she had all these feelings. And you can pretty much spot the ones where it's been decided. He realized that it was actually a group of powerful men in this small town who went to extreme and even ridiculous lengths to try to bring down these nurses. And there was no need. And in fact, Arafiles admits, on the stand, to the questionable medical practices that Anne and Vicki wrote to the TMB about. (5 minutes), If you enjoyed this episode, you may like these. My emotions were running. You sell Zrii sort of the same way you sell Tupperware or Amway. When I sat down to interview this guy, Bill Tobin, he made this request that I don't think anybody's ever made with me in all the years that I've been recording interviews for the radio.. You can cut out the dead air time, right? Can we go? Newsy stories that try to capture what it's like to be alive right now. They're never going to find out that we did it. Do you get tired? Do I move out? He says it's not entirely a show. Kurt says it was just a month of incredibly intense feelings. Desist with this.". And they agreed that a month was not enough for this. [MUSIC - "GOOD OLD BOYS" BY JOHN HARTFORD]. That meeting was chaired by retiring 42nd Ward Committeeman, George Dunne, who appeared to nod off during her talk, until Staniec stopped midspeech, grabbed the 90-year-old Dunne by the arm, shook him awake and shouted, Mr. Dunne, please don't leave me now. She saw it over and over in her mind. Our senior producer is Julie Snyder. Saul Elbein is a reporter in Austin, Texas. And I was shocked. Over the last 25 years, the show founded and led by Ira Glass has built a vast network of producers and writers who have set standards across all genres of audio production. You don't need the labs. And since Abdon started writing about the meeting, and committeemen started seeing how it came off in the newspaper, they have made some adjustments. And he looked up at me and said, don't send out any more records. Part of Vicki Galle's job was to send records to this peer review system. It would be like, Justin, stop talking. said the duck, nearly bursting with excitement. Did he see that the guy's graft had turned black? By law, the board is required to turn over information. He was just always like peppy and funny. It's sort of a vestige that's still there. It was becoming a beautiful gray bird, really not that unlike a duck. Stories of everyday people, based on the award-winning public radio show. Emily Condon's our office manager. And maybe one or two committeemen will get up and speak on their behalf, and they'll say, thank you very much. Ben Loory, reading a story from his book, Stories for the Nighttime and Some for the Day. But he said after they hit a number of them, he was handed a white envelope by his training officer, and he said, here's yours. Debby Eggers was at the clinic when the man came in for a follow-up. Coming up, how a confidential letter ends up in the hands of exactly the people that it is supposed to be kept confidential from, and what kinds of things can happen as a result of that. It was a large rock, about the size of a duck actually, that was situated off the bank of the river, a little past the old elm. 0:00. He's been catching up with his old DVDs of Project Runway. There's this exchange about the skin graft that turned black. And Scott Tidwell doesn't have the best name in Odessa. When I talked to the officer who plays Naomi, she said she had no regrets about her undercover work. And using undercover officers has gotten results. It's the most popular weekly podcast in the world, and winner of the . Arafiles didn't. Oh, really? So I'm really scared and skeptical about it, too, at the same point. The cop who told him this story really believed that. The other ingredients, 3 ounces citric acid, 1 ounce caffeine, 2 and a 1/2 gallons of water. Learn More. I mean, suddenly I felt very modest about asking. Yes, he was a jerk. This next story, like that last one we just heard, is about a guy who yearns for someone, yearns. Why was he hired with a restricted license anyway? I mean, he was down to earth. He had no consistency. Born on June 7, 1986, in Woodstock, Vermont, Bradley comes from a family with a rich golfing history. Please check the corresponding audio before quoting in print. These are the sergeants who boss around the foot soldiers of the Democratic machine. Host Ira Glass speaks with former FBI agent Bill Tobin about police collusion with organized crime in 1970s Chicago. Because they get up, they speak very briefly. This really shocked nurses at the hospital. So what's expected of them? Our conversation consisted largely of, Anne, tell me what you did wrong. The TMB put Arafiles on probation. I mean, because we had to make copies, so of course I'm going to see what all the questions are. "Return To The Scene Of The Crime" Live Event Poster. I went back to my office, talked to Anne about it when she came. And when we talked about it, Kurt's best explanation for that was--. You know, prom was coming up. And he'd look you right in the eye and he'd say, good point, good point. He's pretty much what comes to mind when you hear the words, "West Texas Sheriff." Do you really need her to think you're terrific? This is Vickilyn Galle, another nurse whose job it was to review care. "I don't know," said the girl duck. We want judges who will sit on the bench and when they see a working guy come in there, be able to identify them and be fair to them. And he kind of, after that, began to accept those envelopes. Loyalty. Katie Davis reports on her neighbor Bobby, who returned to the scene where he robbedpeople and conned people. And Scott's response was, well, I've taken it this far and I don't see anything else to do but just let the jury decide it. And then we're still arguing about it. Oh, hey, do you smoke? He says she kept asking him to sell her marijuana. It's as if they never truly expected the case to go to trial, like they expected Anne and Vicki to give in and go away. Saul wrote a version of this story for the Texas Observer. You can take it. So she wrote him a letter every day that she did not send. Our program was produced today by Sarah Koenig, with Alex Blumberg, Ben Calhoun, Jane Feltes, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Robyn Semien, Alissa Shipp, and Nancy Updike.
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